I do not speak for all Vietnam Vets but I believe I’m representative of a sizable segment of them so you might find something informative from my musings here. I was probably typical of the average White middle class draftee circa 1967. I was in my sophomore year of college when I got my Draft notice so I quickly got in touch with my draft board to see if I could delay reporting until after final exams. My Induction date was adjusted to early 1967.
I grew up all over the World as a Military Brat and my father (an 0-6) and brother (an 0-2) were on Active Military Duty at the time so trying to dodge the Draft never entered my mind. The Military was "The Family Business." Our family Military Home of Record was in Northeast Pennsylvania so I was inducted at the Scranton Wilkes-Barre MEPS (Joe Biden’s Hometown).
I
along with 25 other Draftees from my Draft Board, many of them also in college,
and a lot of Volunteers went through our
pre-inductions physicals which was not very thorough. As someone actually drafted
and Inducted I can attest to the fact that at the Scranton MEPS unless you had
something disqualifying that a doctor could see with his own two eyes like
missing an arm, you were going to pass your draft physical. I had a dislocated
knee and my brother had Asthma. I spent 30 years in the Army while my brother
managed a 26 year military career and we both retired as O-6’s.
I was inducted into the Army that evening and shipped off by train to Fort Jackson, South Carolina for processing and Basic Training. At Reception Station we were all given a battery of test and about half of us from my Draft Board scored high enough to be offered the opportunity to attend Officers Candidate School after Basic Training and Advanced Individual Training (about 4 months). Six of us accepted. I attended OCS as a US (draftee serial numbers started with US) which was a grueling 23 weeks of harassment and physical endurance testing all geared to weed out the weak and teach the rest of us how to survive as a Lieutenant in the jungles and rice paddies of Vietnam. About 40% of my OCS Class survived the course and were commissioned.
I went to Vietnam as a young Second Lieutenant in 1968 and extended in country to come home an older and wiser decorated Captain with a CIB. I went on to remain in service retiring 30 years later as a Full Colonel so I know a little about the Vietnam War and who fought it. The “real war” only lasted a little less than six years with about 90 percent of those killed between 1967 and 1970. The US troop strength reached its height in June 1969 at 546,400.
Vietnam was not the most deadly war the Nation has fought but to put it in perspective here is how it stacked up in our conflicts since World War II:
World War II: 407,316 Killed
Korean War - 36,574 Killed
Dominican Republic (1965) - 23 Killed
Vietnam War - 58,300 Killed (In May 1968 alone 2416 were killed in Vietnam)
Grenada Invasion - 19 Killed
Gulf War - 219 Killed
Iraq War - 4431 Killed
Afghanistan War - 2401 Killed
If you really
want to understand the divide between those of us that fought the War in
Vietnam and those that dodged the opportunity, read Robert Timberg’s book The
Nightingale’s Song or at least listen to his C-SPAN Book Notes interview (https://www.c-span.org/video/?66211-1/nightingales-song). You might not agree with everything
but you’ll come away understanding how most of us still feel all these years later
much better than anything you’ll learn from watching Ken Burns Vietnam PBS
series. I though Burns badly missed the
mark but in an interview when he confessed he was a Conscientious Objector I
realized why.
Probably the biggest myth associated with the Vietnam War was who it was that actually fought it. In the Sunday, 6 April 1986 Washington Post there was an excellent in depth examination of that question in an article entitled “The Myth of the Vietnam Vet" written by Jim Webb (later the Democrat Virginia Senator).The article stated: "The man who fought in Vietnam is typically depicted as a draftee, unwilling and probably black. In fact, 73 percent of those who died were volunteers and 12.5 percent were black (out of an age group that comprised 13.5 percent of the male population)." It goes on to point out that “the average name on the Vietnam Memorial Wall was a kid from a middle class Zip Code.” Those numbers were consistent with statistics previously published in a Washington Post August 24,1983 article entitled “Inside: The Veterans Administration.” Because WaPo archives don't go that far back on a line, I have appended both article at the bottom of this Blog posting.
The article went on to say: “In the most comprehensive survey of Vietnam veterans ever done (1980 Harris Survey), 91 percent of those that served indicated they were ‘glad they served their country,’ 74 percent stated they ‘enjoyed their time in service,’ 80 percent disagreed with the statement ‘the United States took unfair advantage of me,’ and 72 percent agreed strongly with the statement ‘The trouble in Vietnam was that our troops were asked to fight in a war which our political leaders in Washington would not let us win.’ The media response to this survey was almost total silence.”
Many of the political “want‑to‑be's" of today may have a point when they say how they felt about the draft and military service in the 1960's doesn't have a bearing on their fitness to serve today but how they continue to orchestrate their cover ups of how they avoided service goes to the very heart of their present character.
Need I remind you that up until Tet of 1968, the overwhelming majority of Americans supported the war and only then did the mood begin to slowly shift but the anti‑war movement never really enjoyed the support of a majority of the country as evidenced by the fact that Richard Nixon, who had invaded Cambodia, won EVERY State except Massachusetts in the 1972 Presidential Election over a George McGovern who would have had us cut and run out of Vietnam before the finish of his inauguration speech!
A Gallup Poll taken
the day after the Kent shootings in May 1970 showed that 58 percent of respondents blamed the
students, 11 percent blamed the National Guard, and 31 percent expressed no
opinion.
https://www.kentguardvoices1970.com/the-shootings.html
When President Richard Nixon addressed the nation on 3 November 1969, about 6 months before Kent State, he called for national solidarity for the war effort, famously asking the “great silent majority” of the American people for their support … polls taken after the speech found that 77% of the American public was in support of Nixon’s policy in Vietnam.
Despite the efforts of revisionist historians and Hollywood producers to ascribe only the highest of moral ideals to draft resisters while assigning the most sinister of motives to those who served, the truth is that the vast majority of Draft Dodgers were just plain "chicken."
Active military service was an absolute certainty for any male born between 1940 and 1950 unless he was morally, mentally or medically unfit, or took some overt action to "dodge" the draft. THAT IS A FACT. Draft dodging does not necessarily mean “illegal” as the Webster’s Dictionary of the time defines it as simply “avoiding military service.” Applying for student or occupational deferments, leaving the country, feigning homosexuality, or signing up for ROTC without any intentions of participating were all things people did, legally and illegally, to avoid performing their duty. I don't care if your name is Trump, Clinton, Cheney, Biden, Romney, Schumer, Gingrich, Sanders, Bloomberg or most other Vietnam eligible politicians, don't insult my intelligence with a lame excuse.
“It was the luck of the draw" (Clinton), “I had childhood asthma” (Biden), “I had debilitating heal spurs but I can’t remember which foot,” or "If called, I would have been happy to serve" (Cheney) are ALL a little disingenuous when each did everything short of maiming himself (which they didn't have the guts to do) to make sure he was unavailable to be called. It seems that Cowardice was a bipartisan malady that afflicted future politicians in much greater rate then the general population.
Also, consider draft quotas were assigned by draft board. When one man evaded, someone else, often less educated or advantaged and always less eligible, served in his place. Additionally, because many of the more capable natural leaders avoided service, we often had to settle for the LT Cally's of the world for leadership. Think of how many American lives could have been saved if leaders with Clinton, Trump or Biden’s potential had done their duty. Isn't it ironic how correct Clinton was when he used to say that "it's the little guy who plays by the rules that always ends up taking it in the neck."
My point is, if the “Trumps and Bidens of our country” were all "unfit" to serve in their youth when their country needed them badly, what makes them any more fit to serve now? At least they can begin on their way to redemption by being honest. Instead of continually spinning yarns that "Ripley wouldn't believe" about why they didn’t serve, can't they just come clean and confess "I was scared, I didn't want to go, and I found a way to avoid it." Then and only then can they begin to regain a little self-respect and the respect of the rest of us.
The way I saw the Vietnam War was very different than the way you saw it. First you were an O-1 rising to O-3 during that period. Me, I was an E-1 moving to E-5. Years later I made E-9.
ReplyDeleteFrom the articles you cite, I do not believe you were aware of the fenced barracks compound filled with about a battalion or more of AWOLs on Fort Meade which was the East Coast catchment for such. There were four or so other bases I was told at the time that had similar sized compounds or larger. The inmates mostly were white, mostly lower middle class and uniformly P-Oed at being drafted and utterly uninterested in accepting anything other than a discharge. These observations of mine support your facts, just with a very different spin on the details and interpretation of those facts.
At Fort Ord, the worst meal I've ever eaten was done on a Saturday by an 11B converted to a cook and four months back from Vietnam. I complained about the meal and he told me off in explicit terms and at length. Boiled down, he'd spent his 365 and a wake up in the bush of 'Nam so what was I or the Army going to do to him to discipline him? "The Army and you can go f--k yourselves". Especially since his discharge was in several weeks and the Army could "just kiss my A$$ if they think they will ever see me in uniform ever again".
He was actually fairly mellow compared to some I dealt with, including an E-6 that lamented several times missing a general in Vietnam - with an RPG he'd picked up there. I believed him since he was fairly drunk when he said this and repeated the story the same way, always privately, several times.
Bottom line, while your statistics are right; the guys that made up those statistics were waaay less than happy. Even the ones your statistics show as going with the program.
There were guys that had a 'good' war as you did; however, there were multiple battalions worth that did not and were mentally AWOL even if they were physically present. The proof in that pudding is the number of people that had their discharges fixed under the Ford/Carter amnesties. The numbers I have are that there were about 1.86 million draftees, 210,000 that violated the Selective Service Act and about 30,000 that went to Canada. Guys with bad discharges, deserter's, and violent protesters were ineligible for amnesty so the 240,000 number above is low by some amount.
I know one guy that drove up to the Canadian border over a weekend and sat in his car thinking long and hard about driving forward a couple miles or back hundreds. He eventually drove back, but was real quiet for a couple weeks and he got out at his first legal opportunity.
This is what I was dealing with and personally saw during 71-77, when the last draftees left service. 1977/78 was when standards began tightening, discipline was again demanded and the worst enlisted discharged, including all the Cat IV/Vs.
Just getting rid of the Cat IV/Vs helped immensely in curtailing the rot and made being in the service not feel like a form of purgatory.
The officer core cleaned itself up through draconian RIFs. The mandatory ranking and rating to obsessively rigid standards with the bottom n-percent being RIFed got the officer core back on track. I was in an office with 15 mid-level to senior officers and four enlisted when that happened so listened to the process as it was discussed, implemented and executed.
I appreciate your experiences and observations but while awaiting an OCS class I served in a TO&E combat battalion in Germany and when I returned from my extended combat tour I commanded three more companies in CONUS. There were some of those types you described but more of them were RAs then USs. Because as a company commander I could ensure a malcontent received a General Discharge (Under Honorable Conditions) rather then an Honorable Discharge by just characterizing their duty as UNSAT and when that was explained to the malcontents, 90% of them sucked it up for their final few days or months in uniform. Even the US67’s understood a General Discharge would not enhance their post Army job prospects after it was explained to them. My experience was the vast majority of Draftees (like me) just figured they were stuck and would make the best of it.
ReplyDeleteIn paragraph 9, you give a quote to make your point about the righteousness of the hawks. ‘The trouble in Vietnam was that our troops were asked to fight in a war which our political leaders in Washington would not let us win.’ Define winning in Vietnam. Your answer will take more space here than is available. When you are finished, I predict that your answer(s) will contain some version of inflicting enough pain on North Vietnam to bring them to the peace table and make it stick. That solution would have wiped the north off the map both in terms of population and agriculture and industry. Saying that is the very definition of war is insane given that the culture of the north had no concept of western liberal democracy. [small ‘l’]
ReplyDeleteWe never understood the culture and history of Vietnam. The French reporter Bernard Fall warned us and the American reporters Neil Sheehan and Frances Fitzgerald documented our ignorance. In case you want to review a bit, please read or re-read Fire in the Lake. We Americans get our country into some really dumb situations both at home and abroad by failing to acknowledge the role of culture in a conflict.
Blaming the doves and citing an ignorant electorate as your argument for waging a scorched earth policy is illogical. The support you cite for Nixon and the polling about Kent State a day after the killings are not in any way related to how right or wrong we were in waging the Vietnam war. Those arguments are just red herrings.
I read all of Bernard Fall’s books before I even went to Vietnam but found Jules Roy’s book far more enlightening. Also read those Neil Sheehan and Frances Fitzgerald books.
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